What is politics? What are elections?
For all their faults and failings,
these are the methods by which we
resolve conflicts and decide our
collective national or state or
municipal course of action,
short of war.
 
Arguments Statists Should Avoid
by Sean Gangol
[email protected]
Special to L. Neil Smith’s The Libertarian Enterprise
After watching Shane Killian�s YouTube series on How to Argue for Statism, I decided to make my own little list to help statists argue for their positions a little better than repeating the same clich�s over and over again. Then maybe they can come up with better arguments to challenge our world view, though I doubt it.
Why Do You Hate the Poor?
I think that I can speak for all libertarians when I say that 
we are sick and tired of being told that we hate the poor or that we 
don�t have compassion. Contrary to whatever you believe about our 
financial status, most of us are not rich enough to swim in pools 
full of money like Scrooge Mc Duck in Ducktales. As much as I 
hate answering a question with a question, I have to ask, �Why do you 
hate freedom and prosperity so much?� Those are the two things that 
actually creates more social mobility than any of those welfare 
programs that you guys love so much. For that matter if you care so 
much for the poor, why do you donate so little to charity? Normally I 
wouldn�t care what a person does with his own hard-earned money, but 
I don�t think you have a right to point a judgmental figure at us, 
when it is your side that donates the least amount to the people you 
claim to care so much about.
You are so Selfish
I find it so telling that you call us selfish, when It is our 
side that boils over in rage whenever we see someone�s rights getting 
violated. I remember when you and your fellow statists on the left 
compared George W. Bush to Hitler because of his War on Terror 
policies, yet you guys gave Barrick Obama a free pass when he 
continued the same policies. I also find it telling that you guys 
throw hissy fits whenever a police officer shoots a black suspect 
(rather it�s justified or not), but then you got your panties in a 
bunch when members of the BATFE were referred to as Jack Booted 
Stormtroopers for their actions at Waco and Ruby Ridge. When a group 
of patriots stood up to federal land grabs, you statists went into a 
frenzy and called them terrorists. You seem to only care about 
someone�s rights when it fits your own selfish interests.
Stop Citing Failed States as Evidence for why Libertarianism Doesn�t Work
You guys love to use failed states such as Somalia and Honduras 
as an example of how libertarianism doesn�t work. Whenever you guys 
bring up these failed states, I could just picture the smug looks on 
your faces, as if you have thrown a curve ball that is impossible for 
us to hit. In reality, you have thrown a ball that isn�t even worth a 
swing. The kind that would automatically be ruled as a ball by any 
umpire with good eyesight. Somalia is a failed nation that dissolved 
into two tribal governments who have been continuously trying to out 
massacre the other. We are not exactly talking about Rothbardian 
anarchism here. To be honest I don�t know too many statists who use 
Honduras as an example of libertarianism in action except for Salon 
writer, Chris Lygnar. Not that it makes it any less absurd for 
anybody to refer to a military dictatorship as a libertarian 
paradise. Either way it shows that you know very little about the 
movement that you are fighting against.
Acknowledge that Capitalism Works
Let�s face it guys, whatever issue that you have capitalism, 
you still have to admit that it does work. I remember when a college 
professor of mine told me that while he believed that we needed 
reasonable regulations to keep companies in check, capitalism was 
still an effective system. Keep in mind that my professor had 
supported John Kerry in the 2004 elections, so he was anything but 
conservative in his views. Still don�t believe me? Look at the shoes 
on your feet. Look at your i-phone. Take a sip of that five-dollar 
cup of coffee you bought at Starbucks. Hell, you, millennials who 
bitch about living in poverty are likely living in a building with 
electricity, air conditioning and internet access. The monarchs of 
the past centuries would be envious of what you guys take for 
granted. Guess, which system produced all this stuff? So, stop 
pretending that capitalism isn�t effective.
Give us Better Examples of Government Success
Whenever you guys try to tell us how great government is, you 
need to give us better examples than the roads or the post office. 
Especially the post office, which has been practically bleeding money 
for the past decade. As for roads, you apparently haven�t been 
keeping up with the reports of crumbling infrastructures that have 
been occurring
for the past decade. It�s interesting how you guys never use the DMV 
or the public-school system as a shining example of government 
success. Yet, the best you could come up are examples that are at 
best mediocre. Though in all fairness, with the exception of national 
defense (we don�t have anything to compare it with), you will 
definitely be hard pressed to find a government service that hasn�t 
been out performed by the private sector.
Except Certain Realities
I know that statists, especially those on the left, like to 
pretend that they live in a world where the realities of basic 
economics don�t exist. Social Justice Warriors like to pretend that 
raising the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour isn�t going to 
have any negative repercussions on employment or the cost of our 
goods. Then we have third wave feminists who refuse to admit that the 
so-called gender wage gap is actually an earning gap. I know that you 
guys like to stick your fingers in your ears and yell �no!� but if 
you want us to take you serious in a debate, you are actually going 
to have to address these realities.
Stop Gloating
I just love how you guys gloat about how we libertarians have 
to use publicly founded roads or post offices as if this somehow 
shows us acting inconsistently with our views. The reason why we have 
to use anything that is taxpayer founded is usually because we don�t 
have any other options. Until you allow the private sector to create 
roads or compete with the post office, these are the only choices we 
have. The same goes for any other service or utility that the 
government has a monopoly over. Also in certain cases like 
healthcare, where your government has made such a mess of the system, 
certain people may have no other choice but to turn to Obamacare. 
Trust me when I say that this is nothing to gloat about. It is like 
bragging about saving someone from drowning in the sea, when you were 
the one who pushed him out of the boat in the first place.
Do Your Homework
What irritates me the most are people who try to debate us, 
without actually taking the time to understand our position. On the 
left, we have had idiots who have called us religious fanatics, which 
is perplexing because libertarianism doesn�t really have anything to 
say about religion, except that we don�t have a right to initiate 
force in favor or against it. I remember another case when Jon 
Stewart had the impression that libertarians didn�t believe in 
evolution, which is not only false, but the subject has no bearing on 
libertarianism whatsoever. When you guys repeat nonsense like this, 
it shows us that you couldn�t be bothered to research libertarianism. 
It�s intellectually lazy moments like this that makes it hard for us 
to respect you. When we are talking subjects such as history, science 
or basic economics you may want to do a little more research rather 
than just listening to talking points on MSNBC or reading snippets 
out of a government school textbook. Just a thought.
Ad Hominin Attacks will only get you so far
Contrary to popular belief, ad hominin attacks aren�t just 
about mudslinging. It�s mudslinging in lieu of concrete arguments 
that qualifies as ad hominin. So, bare that in mind next time you 
sling insults at us. Some of us have no problem slinging them right 
back. Though unlike you, our arguments have substance, which means 
that our insults will be nothing more than icing on the preverbal 
cake, while your arguments will amount to nothing more than just 
icing. Just bare that in mind.
Bring Something New to the Table
I remember back in the days of the old MYSPACE forum, right 
before congress rammed Obamacare through, some idiot that I was 
arguing with had the gull to demand that I come up with a solution to 
America�s healthcare problem. Now, at the time I didn�t know what the 
solution was. All I knew was what I didn�t want to see more 
government control of a system that had already been convoluted by 
government bureaucrats. When I couldn�t come up with a solution, he 
said that my side had no solutions. Aside from the fact that I wasn�t 
the sole representative of �my side�, I think it�s absurd that just 
because I reject a bad idea that your side offers, it doesn�t mean 
that I am obligated to give a solution in return. Now, that I look 
back I could have told him I would completely privatize the industry 
and with the exception of malpractice suits, I would ban all 
government interference. Not that it matters because the idiot would 
have turned his nose up at that idea, even though it was actually 
government interference that drove up the costs of healthcare in the 
first place.
I noticed the same pattern, when it comes to education. It was government interference that made our education system the laughing stock of the world. Yet, whenever we talk about privatization or semi-privatization you guys not only reject it, but instead propose the same failed solutions. Basically, you propose throwing more money at the system which is the exact same thing that we have been doing for decades, yet we get the exact same results every time. This is definitely what Einstein defined as insanity.
Stop Blaming Libertarians for the Financial Meltdown of 2008
I wasn�t even going to include this one, but I am getting sick 
and tired of statists blaming us for the Financial Meltdown of 2008. 
Even Sargon of Akkad, who is one of my favorite Youtubers, said that 
it was because the libertarians have so much power over the 
legislator. It was hard for me to understand how someone as 
intelligent or quick-witted as Sargon could actually say something 
that absurdly stupid. We libertarians are at best only ten percent of 
the population. We are the most marginalized group on the political 
spectrum, so it is impossible for us to have influenced the policies 
that lead to the meltdown. If we did, the collapse never would have 
happened. It was people like libertarian leaning conservative Ron 
Paul who actually warned congress about the dangers of the Housing 
Bubble and it was statists such as Barney Frank who dismissed the 
warnings. I know you guys like to believe that somehow during the 
Bush administration thousands upon thousands of regulations somehow 
magically disappeared and managed to reappear when Obama took office. 
It�s hard for me to comprehend how any adult can believe something 
that absurd. In reality, it was the government that caused the 
meltdown through a series of incentives that encouraged banks to give 
out loans like they were candy, which lead to Fannie Mae and Freddy 
Mac absorbing the debts incurred by the banks. When that house of 
cards finally came crashing down, it was people like Barney Frank who 
ironically prevented congressional oversight for Fannie Mae and 
Freddie Mac, who said that it was deregulation that led to the 
meltdown. So, it wasn�t us libertarians, but you statists who caused 
it.
I know that most of you will keep using the same strawman arguments because it�s easier than having to come up with real arguments. I will warn you that there are some of us who will not go easy on you, if you use these same tired arguments.
Was that worth reading?
Then why not:

 
 
AFFILIATE/ADVERTISEMENT
This site may receive compensation if a product is purchased
through one of our partner or affiliate referral links. You
already know that, of course, but this is part of the FTC Disclosure
Policy 
found here. (Warning: this is a 2,359,896-byte 53-page PDF file!)
